Police seek NIO’s advice on how to engage activists… seriously!!!!

Posted by on March 31, 2012

Sender Flowers, Steven Kory <[email protected]>
Recipient [email protected]
Date Fri 16:10

Ms. Marino—

In my efforts to better train law enforcement officers on positive and productive encounters and exchanges with animal and earth rights’ proponents, I would greatly appreciate any input you may be inclined to relay.  I train law enforcement officers throughout the southeastern United States on various subcultures and special interest sectors of society.  I recently came across your name and credentials as an animal rights advocate, and your focus on animal rights work.  Thanks in advance for any key ideas you’d like relayed to law enforcement officers who may encounter animal/earth rights proponents.  Sincerely—skf

S.K. Flowers, Detective
Intelligence Unit
Greensboro Police Department
336.373.2309 desk
336.430.6437 wireless

Subject My suggestions for productive encounters between police and activists
Sender Camille Marino Add contact
Recipient Flowers, Steven Kory Add contact
Date Today 10:20

Hi Steve,

Thank you for allowing me this opportunity to address your concerns. Unfortunately, I don’t see us reaching a “meeting of the minds” any time soon.

From your perspective, I imagine a “productive encounter and exchange” with an activist would be one in which you were able to fabricate some “terrorist” or “criminal” charges against your target to crush them most efficiently and advance the state’s agenda. And I think you are asking me in what manner a uniformed agent of repression may engage a freedom fighter to gain their confidence thereby grooming a compliant victim.

From my perspective, the concept of a “productive encounter” with law enforcement is an oxymoron. However, if I am incorrect about your agenda, then I would encourage you to train your new officers to act as men and women of conscience rather than tools of the fascist apparatus. Perhaps, as a genuine offering of good faith, you could teach them to take their battering rams and tanks and burst through the fortresses of the war criminals who murder animals and the planet with impunity — those who you protect.

Perhaps they could be encouraged to shoot a few abusers dead for good measure. After all, our system of jurisprudence allows for justifiable homicide, especially if the murder is state-sanctioned. And, finally, perhaps you could take your keys, open up the jail cells and release all of the political prisoners that you and your brethren have imprisoned.

So, just to be clear, you, Officer Flowers, are the enemy. And I am not a collaborator.

But perhaps you can give me your thoughts about one of the resources I advocate on my site.

And, if you are interested in discussing this further, I’m always available for speaking engagements… that is, unless your compatriots put me back in jail next month!

Hope this was helpful.

Camille Marino
CEO & Founder
Negotiation Is Over


Sender Flowers, Steven Kory <[email protected]>
Recipient [email protected]
Date Wed, 4 Apr 2012 05:33:41 -0400

Ms. Marino—

I feel that I have stirred a proverbial hornet’s next, which is rarely my intention.  From your perspective, I’d appreciate your input on the following hypothetical:  as a driver on a two-lane road with no shoulders, no guardrail, and 2000’ drop-offs on either side of the road, you come upon a squirrel lying in one lane of the road and a human baby in the other…veering off the road would cause your own death and stopping is not possible at your current speed.  Do you have an ethical dilemma on which creature to run over?  Which would you choose?

I truly and sincerely appreciate your opinion as a liberationist.  Again, just trying to train law enforcement on your mindsets, opinions, ethos.  Thanks in advance.

 S.K. Flowers, Detective
Greensboro Police Department
Intelligence Squad


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11 Responses to “Police seek NIO’s advice on how to engage activists… seriously!!!!”

  1. Anonymous Says:


  2. gina maltese Says:

    I just lmao through the entire correspondence…I loved it! Seriously, What was he
    thinking?!! Lmfao!!!

  3. Marie St-Clair Says:

    hahahaha! I so love you Camille.

  4. Negotiation Is Over Says:

    likewise, marie! <3

  5. Brennan Browne Says:

    hypothetical: as a driver on a two-lane road with no shoulders, no guardrail, and 2000’ drop-offs on either side of the road, you come upon a squirrel lying in one lane of the road and a human baby in the other…veering off the road would cause your own death and stopping is not possible at your current speed.


    The width of the vehicle from inside wheel to inside wheel would accommodate driving over either the squirrel or the baby without causing any injury, particularly if both individuals were ‘lying in the road’ completely stationary. In fact, this width will easily accommodate 2 full grown people being “run over” without being harmed if their bodies are positioned between the wheels. I know. My cousin and I were ‘run over’ while sleeping on the ground at a campsite once. Next question?

  6. Brennan Browne Says:

    BTW, I lived in the mountains for 10 yrs and drove a 2-lane road which had sheer 1,000 ft cliffs on one side and solid rock walls on the other. Small animals, mainly mice, would often scurry across the road at the last second as my headlights disoriented them. I was always able to calculate their speed and maneuver to safely drive over them whenever I was unable to stop — I never killed a single individual I’m happy to report.

  7. Negotiation Is Over Says:

    i am certain that officer flowers will not appr that response. 😉

  8. Brennan Browne Says:

    No, of course not, Camille, because as we both know, the question is framed as an intentional trap, which in the mind of Detective Flowers and every other raging speciesist, has only one obvious answer and that would be to kill the squirrel.

    However, for those of us possessing critical thinking capabilities, there is always more than one solution to a problem than what may first seem most obvious. The important, transforming variable in Flowers’ hypothetical is the skill of the driver, which changes the outcome considerably.

  9. Negotiation Is Over Says:

    of course, i am certain that he was waiting for me to opt to kill the innocent human over the innocent animal. and, while i may have been thinking that would be the optimal solution, i doubt that he considered i might just take the swerve and kill myself rather than insinuate myself into the situation of either innocent.

    but, since i would never engage him and allow him to profile me further, i guess we’ll never know what i would have said.

    now, of course, if i were driving with you, we could have avoided this situation entirely! 😉

  10. Brennan Browne Says:

    As Rain Man would say, “I’m an excellent driver!” You’d be in extremely capable hands! ;D

  11. Negotiation Is Over Says:


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